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#61 Gugny

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:54 PM

 

It's grammar's, you should be embarrassed. 

 

 I be mad embarrassed.  My b.



#62 Boyst62

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 07:00 AM

*using

it was done for affect, boy wonder

#63 oldmanfan

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 07:08 AM

They is different, they is.



#64 Pablocruise

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 07:11 AM

Kaepernick didn't win anything; the 49'ers did. "Good" QB's on a "bad" team obviously will struggle, but a "fair" QB on a GOOD team ,.with quality coaching, can succeed. Won-loss records for QB's can be misleading.



#65 Cheektavegas Charlie

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 07:20 AM

Kind of an interesting comparison between Tyrod and Kaepernick

 

Lets compare these 2 players stats. This is over the same period of time. Leaving the politics out of it is there really a big statistical difference between both QB's? When you consider Colin's salary could be in the $5-$6 million base salary range with Bonuses which one would you rather have? Kaepernick is not good enough for a team to pick him up yet Tyrod is our starting QB.

 

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Kap

6-4 225, 29 - 30 win record (this includes a 1-10 season)

69 games played, 59.8% completion, 72 td's 30 int

Rushing - 2300 yards, 13 Td's

Sacked 171 times

4-2 playoff record

 

Tyrod

6-0 221, 14-14 record

29 games played, 62.3% completion, 37 td's 14 Int

Rushing - 1248 yards, 11 Td's

Sacked 78 times

 

 

This isn't a relevant comparison at all. Tyrod has only been a starting QB since 2015. You're using Kaepernick's stats going back to 2012, which was when he was actually a very good QB. In the time since Tyrod has been starting, Kaepernick has a 3-16 record. You know who else has better stats than Tyrod if you compare their stats from 2012 on? Matt Schaub, Josh Freeman, and Robert Griffin. 



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Posted 14 September 2017 - 07:29 AM

You mean Tyrod makes you comfortable because he doesn't speak politically.

Kaepernick makes you uncomfortable for whatever reason you choose.

 

The act of kneeling in protest doesn't make me uncomfortable in the least.  I respect his right to do it and I'll defend his right to do it.  For me, I stand for the national anthem out of respect for the men and women (of all races) that have given their lives for this very freedom.  Here's where the rubber meets the road for me.......if Kaep actually had a plan to contribute to fixing the problem, he wouldn't be in this position.  Instead of taking action to root out the bad cops by appealing to the upstanding members of law enforcement, and encouraging dialogue between the good cops and community leaders, he'd rather bash all cops and paint all of law enforcement with a broad brush.  Isn't that exactly how white supremacists paint the black (non-white) community?  

 

As far as Tyrod is concerned, he's doing what he was raised to do.....be respectful to others and you'll likely get the same in return no matter your skin color, religion etc...  Lead by example and as far as being a positive force for change, all Kaep's done is alienate and divide people.  If you don't want to be part of the solution, you're part of the problem in my book.

 

As somebody has said on here and as Shady stated....Kaep is not employed because he's not good enough to overcome the baggage, pure and simple.  The NFL is about making money; players are investments.  Kaep's ROI is negative so why would any owner invest his money into a player that won't provide a return?


Edited by Bills757, 14 September 2017 - 07:33 AM.


#67 mjt328

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 07:40 AM

The statistical difference is not huge.  But it is still there.

Especially if you look at just the last 2-3 seasons.

 

Colin Kaepernick started his career hot, but his play has steadily deteriorated since the 2013 Super Bowl season.  Defenses figured out how to stop him, and he's never adjusted his game enough to get past that hurdle.  After three straight poor performances, there is little hope the guy will ever turn things around.

 

Right now, Tyrod Taylor is more accurate, more elusive, more accurate and has less turnovers.  It's possible he eventually sees a big drop-off like Kaepernick, but it's also possible he gets better.  Kaepernick was a good QB that became bad.  Taylor is an average QB that still has time to entrench himself.

 

 

 

With that said, I don't understand why NFL owners just can't ADMIT their stance on Kaepernick.  Why are they letting ESPN and other media outlets bully them into hiding their true thoughts?  As an employer, they have every right NOT TO HIRE someone.  End of story.  It's not racist.  It's not prejudiced.  Kaepernick had every constitutional right to protest.  But the owners have the right to fire him/refuse to hire him.

 

A large percentage of fans believe Kaepernick's actions were disrespectful to this country, and a major distraction from the sport.  Many players have admitted these demonstrations can be divisive among their team.  If Hall of Fame talents like Terrell Owens were eventually blackballed from the league because of their behavior (and nobody complains about that), it's certainly fine for NFL teams to decide they don't want the clown show that comes with signing Kaepernick.


 

The act of kneeling in protest doesn't make me uncomfortable in the least.  I respect his right to do it and I'll defend his right to do it.  For me, I stand for the national anthem out of respect for the men and women (of all races) that have given their lives for this very freedom.  Here's where the rubber meets the road for me.......if Kaep actually had a plan to contribute to fixing the problem, he wouldn't be in this position.  Instead of taking action to root out the bad cops by appealing to the upstanding members of law enforcement, and encouraging dialogue between the good cops and community leaders, he'd rather bash all cops and paint all of law enforcement with a broad brush.  Isn't that exactly how white supremacists paint the black (non-white) community?  

 

Very well said.

 

Rioting, blocking highways and kneeling at football games does nothing to fix these problems. 

In most cases, it only raises tension and increases anger - instead of bringing support to the cause.



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Posted 14 September 2017 - 07:43 AM

With that said, I don't understand why NFL owners just can't ADMIT their stance on Kaepernick.  Why are they letting ESPN and other media outlets bully them into hiding their true thoughts?  As an employer, they have every right NOT TO HIRE someone.  End of story.  It's not racist.  It's not prejudiced.  Kaepernick had every constitutional right to protest.  But the owners have the right to fire him/refuse to hire him.

 

A large percentage of fans believe Kaepernick's actions were disrespectful to this country, and a major distraction from the sport.  Many players have admitted these demonstrations can be divisive among their team.  If Hall of Fame talents like Terrell Owens were eventually blackballed from the league because of their behavior (and nobody complains about that), it's certainly fine for NFL teams to decide they don't want the clown show that comes with signing Kaepernick.

 

Do owners EVER come out and comment on why they don't sign other players?  Why should Kaepernick be the exception?  Why put yourself out there by commenting?  That would only serve to put you and your organization in the cross hairs of every whack job reporter/media outlet around and create a distraction for your team.  ESPN blows anyway.  Who cares what those idiots think?  That network will hopefully crumble sooner rather than later.  



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Posted 14 September 2017 - 07:47 AM

To be clear, over the past 2 years TT is better than Kaep, statistically, in:

 

Completion %

Passing Yards per Game

Passing TDs per Game

Total Yards per Game

Total TDs per Game

TD/TO Ratio

TD%

Turnover %

Passer Rating

 

This.

 

It's about what have you done for me lately. Unfortunately both QB's level of play on the field is currently trending down. Kaepernick even more so then Taylor recently. But if Taylor does not have a bounce back year this year he might not start again next year for us or any other team in the NFL. If he bounces back and has a season similar to  his 2015 season then I am fairly confident he will get another starting chance with us or another team in the future. 



#70 Koko78

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 08:11 AM

It's a losing battle, Coach. Millenials cant spell.

 

can't.



#71 mjt328

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 08:16 AM

Do owners EVER come out and comment on why they don't sign other players?  Why should Kaepernick be the exception?  Why put yourself out there by commenting?  That would only serve to put you and your organization in the cross hairs of every whack job reporter/media outlet around and create a distraction for your team.  ESPN blows anyway.  Who cares what those idiots think?  That network will hopefully crumble sooner rather than later.  

 

You are right.  Teams normally don't comment.

But in the case of Kaepernick, they keep making excuses about his work ethic and on-field play  (Let's be honest.  The guy isn't very good, but he's still better than a good chunk of the backups currently employed).  They seem willing to comment, but won't give more honest reasons why. 

 

When the owners "hide" their true thoughts, it gives credence to the idea that something is wrong with blackballing players for their actions and behavior. 



#72 Bills757

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 08:40 AM

 

You are right.  Teams normally don't comment.

But in the case of Kaepernick, they keep making excuses about his work ethic and on-field play  (Let's be honest.  The guy isn't very good, but he's still better than a good chunk of the backups currently employed).  They seem willing to comment, but won't give more honest reasons why. 

 

When the owners "hide" their true thoughts, it gives credence to the idea that something is wrong with blackballing players for their actions and behavior. 

 

I get where you're coming from but I guess I look at it differently.  

 

For any owner to sit down with the media and basically say "he's not good enough to overcome the distraction he will become for my team" is like security (the NFL owners) on the Friday after Thanksgiving at Walmart wanting to crack the doors open just a little to tell the people (the media) that when the store opens, they need to proceed in an orderly fashion.  Of course, you and I both know that once the doors open just a little, those people won't be listening to anything; they'll stampede through the doors and over top of anybody in their way.  



#73 BillsFan4

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 10:58 AM

it was done for affect, boy wonder

Yeah, sure... lol. j/k man



Seriously though, for someone who corrects other people's grammar and spelling errors, you sure make a lot of them yourself.

Also, *effect (but I'm sure that was done for effect too... (again, j/k))

Edited by BillsFan4, 14 September 2017 - 11:01 AM.


#74 Boyst62

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 11:01 AM

Yeah, sure... lol. j/k man



Seriously though, for someone who corrects other people's grammar and spelling errors, you sure make a lot of them yourself.

not during the season, I attempt to proof read

#75 MarkyMannn

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 11:13 AM

Kind of an interesting comparison between Tyrod and Kaepernick

 

Lets compare these 2 players stats. This is over the same period of time. Leaving the politics out of it    

Crap thread.  If you say leave the politics out of it what was your point in the whole post?  Why not then compare TT to anyone else