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#1 Webster Guy

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 02:30 PM

DJ is growing on me on the Murph Show.   He seems to be getting into the details of the game more which is his strength over the normal radio-guy-who-never-played shtick which we have far too much of.

 

He was talking about the complexities of a qb/wr relationship.  It started when a caller suggested Peterman come in and play.   DJ said, well we're a 3-2 team right now, and a quarterback change will never happen on a team with a winning record, but he went on to explain that the primary reason for that is the timing and feel for each receiver is very different.   

 

He said bringing in a new WR at this stage in the game would be nearly impossible.  Elevating a practice squad receiver who knows the offense would be done first, and he said a guy like Shorts,Reilly, Brown or Streater is the only option for them right now.   You absolutely need the camp and the reps in the specific offense you run in order to be able to step in and make a difference mid-season.   To give up a future WR in draft pick form is too risky to gamble on getting a veteran WR that can contribute immediately.  

 

Tasker chimed in and said it's not like baseball or even hoops where you can bring guys in mid-season and they can win for you right away unless it's a very specific job like kick returner, 3rd down edge rusher specialist--something one dimensional.

 

This may be why new guys like Sammy aren't seeing many targets, it's not his skills per se, but how well the qb knows him and what he'll do based on all the variables inside each play.   He said separation is important but not as important as timing and trust.  

 

I hadn't thought of it that way.   Pretty interesting.



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Posted 11 October 2017 - 02:35 PM

DJ is growing on me on the Murph Show.   He seems to be getting into the details of the game more which is his strength over the normal radio-guy-who-never-played shtick which we have far too much of.

 

He was talking about the complexities of a qb/wr relationship.  It started when a caller suggested Peterman come in and play.   DJ said, well we're a 3-2 team right now, and a quarterback change will never happen on a team with a winning record, but he went on to explain that the primary reason for that is the timing and feel for each receiver is very different.   

 

He said bringing in a new WR at this stage in the game would be nearly impossible.  Elevating a practice squad receiver who knows the offense would be done first, and he said a guy like Shorts,Reilly, Brown or Streater is the only option for them right now.   You absolutely need the camp and the reps in the specific offense you run in order to be able to step in and make a difference mid-season.   To give up a future WR in draft pick form is too risky to gamble on getting a veteran WR that can contribute immediately.  

 

Tasker chimed in and said it's not like baseball or even hoops where you can bring guys in mid-season and they can win for you right away unless it's a very specific job like kick returner, 3rd down edge rusher specialist--something one dimensional.

 

This may be why new guys like Sammy aren't seeing many targets, it's not his skills per se, but how well the qb knows him and what he'll do based on all the variables inside each play.   He said separation is important but not as important as timing and trust.  

 

I hadn't thought of it that way.   Pretty interesting.

and true IMO

 

thanks OP


Edited by Figster, 11 October 2017 - 02:36 PM.


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Posted 11 October 2017 - 02:44 PM

 He said separation is important but not as important as timing and trust.  

The missed red zone pass to Logan Thomas might be a picture perfect example of this.   

 

TT's tentativeness may have been due to his uncertainty over what Thomas was going to do--stay flat or turn up field.   Neither guy seemed to be on the same page...



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Posted 11 October 2017 - 02:49 PM

DJ is growing on me on the Murph Show.   He seems to be getting into the details of the game more which is his strength over the normal radio-guy-who-never-played shtick which we have far too much of.

 

He was talking about the complexities of a qb/wr relationship.  It started when a caller suggested Peterman come in and play.   DJ said, well we're a 3-2 team right now, and a quarterback change will never happen on a team with a winning record, but he went on to explain that the primary reason for that is the timing and feel for each receiver is very different.   

 

He said bringing in a new WR at this stage in the game would be nearly impossible.  Elevating a practice squad receiver who knows the offense would be done first, and he said a guy like Shorts,Reilly, Brown or Streater is the only option for them right now.   You absolutely need the camp and the reps in the specific offense you run in order to be able to step in and make a difference mid-season.   To give up a future WR in draft pick form is too risky to gamble on getting a veteran WR that can contribute immediately.  

 

Tasker chimed in and said it's not like baseball or even hoops where you can bring guys in mid-season and they can win for you right away unless it's a very specific job like kick returner, 3rd down edge rusher specialist--something one dimensional.

 

This may be why new guys like Sammy aren't seeing many targets, it's not his skills per se, but how well the qb knows him and what he'll do based on all the variables inside each play.   He said separation is important but not as important as timing and trust.  

 

I hadn't thought of it that way.   Pretty interesting.

 

....good find bud and it makes a ton of sense.........if TT is struggling with timing and rhythm, with receivers who have been here throughout, how can new guy(s) help now?.......once the injury picture becomes clearer, you may see some PS promotions.....hard to do so now because if some injuries are short term, you'll have to adjust the active 53 with guys that were promoted..if some of the injuries are longer term, IR could be a n option as well as bringing Streater 6 wks post settlement (think after bye) , etc........ 



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Posted 11 October 2017 - 02:58 PM

I don't get what's taking them so long to promote Reilly?

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 03:02 PM

I have said this repeatedly. That the only way to go is in house for receiver .

We have some young talent on the PS and they know the offense already

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 03:06 PM

Don't tell this to anyone hating on Watkins out in LA lol I agree the chemistry thing is important , but it doesn't mean a WR can't help at this point. Justin Hunter last year, for example. I expect that SW will get more integrated in the Rams offense as the year goes on. The Bills can use a WR, and not just for this year. A proven WR acquired in a trade, for example could be more valuable than some middle round pick. Jones far too often goes overboard with his company line, a la his partner Murphy.

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 03:07 PM

Truth is if you bring up Reilly someone has to go....who?

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 03:07 PM

I don't get what's taking them so long to promote Reilly?


Ill go out on a limb and say they see him practice everyday and you dont so Ill side with their judgment

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 03:11 PM

I don't get what's taking them so long to promote Reilly?

I agree loved this guy in preseason.  I'm also a Rams fan and the very slow sure handed Cooper Cup is doing great out here (as a comparison).  The only problem is TT is so afraid to make a mistake he needs the WR to be open by at least 3 steps before he lets it go.  That won't work with Cup or Reilly. 



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Posted 11 October 2017 - 03:13 PM

I agree DJ has been getting better on air. I knew we had to give him time. Every new broadcaster needs to find their voice.

And also not surprised on his take. Not only are NFL playbooks complex to try to come in and learn quickly mid-season, there's the "fit and feel" aspect of it too. Team chemistry is real. Squishy, qualitative and hard to define, but real.

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 03:21 PM

Sammy was brought in before the season started with the Rams, and we are now week 6 into the season. It may be a reason for less targets, but if it is it isn't a big one imo



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Posted 11 October 2017 - 03:23 PM

The show is at its best when Murph Presents the naive sports fan on the outside looking in philosophy and it's contrasted with Donald's modern player mentality.

Case in point when they discuss Goodell, Celebrations, Player Motivation, Money.

There was a good moment the other day when Murph couldn't believe a good player would get black balled by coaches and Donald was like "yeah it happens."

Donald is really good at exposing that coaches and players are flawed humans who get influenced and act sometimes out of personal issues, ego and pride and not always what's "best for the team."

It's like Donald is revealing to Murph Santa Clause isn't real.

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 03:25 PM

In theory his thoughts are correct... in reality, Tyrod hasn't had much of relationship with the current corp of receivers who were mostly 2nd string to begin with or new to the team (FAs and rookies). How much different would it really be if we brought in a new WR or two and gave him 2 weeks to practice with?



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Posted 11 October 2017 - 03:29 PM

Ill go out on a limb and say they see him practice everyday and you dont so Ill side with their judgment

I'll go out on a limb and say you don't have the greatest social skills



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Posted 11 October 2017 - 03:31 PM

John Murphy = Homer Radio Echo Chamber

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 03:44 PM

good topic. nice post. I can see some of this reasoning prevailing at OBD.  Tryhard just doesn't have that feel for timing and precision we need to make this offense tick, but it would be nice to have a receiver has a big catch radius and just comes down with the ball.



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Posted 11 October 2017 - 03:45 PM

The missed red zone pass to Logan Thomas might be a picture perfect example of this.   

 

TT's tentativeness may have been due to his uncertainty over what Thomas was going to do--stay flat or turn up field.   Neither guy seemed to be on the same page...

 

I turn that up field if i see that much open grass... i might even put a hand up so he throws it



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Posted 11 October 2017 - 03:47 PM

John Murphy is annoying to listen to. Donald is pretty good, so the show balances out to okay. All the guests they have on are pretty cool too.



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Posted 11 October 2017 - 03:50 PM

I think that this is basically hogwash.  These are professional athletes for kripes sake.  A route tree is a route tree regardless what NFL team you have been playing for.  A good QB and a good WR should be able to get their timing down with repetitions.  That's what practice is for.  It it shouldn't take months or years.  The actual timing should take days.  Rep after rep after rep.

 

Now trust is another issue, however if a QB doesn't trust his receivers then why are the receivers on the field if the QB won't throw to them.  OR  If the QB is not capable of trusting his receivers (which I believe is one of TT's problems) then why is he your QB.